Bubbling, Tanking and You

[dizzarian]

I hate the term bubbling so I'll be using PW:S instead from now on (Power Word: Shield)

Ok as we know we had our little rogue pickup friend inform us all of what we were doing wrong in our group (kicking rogues is by far the most fun and after looking up this info I no longer feel bad for kicking him before I rezed him)
One of the misinformation items was that by me PW:S'ing Amokk (the tank) that I was some how preventing him from getting aggro. This is FALSE and I knew it but couldn't prove it so I've been researching this morning and here's some info I've gained.

A Quote from a Blizz (GhostCrawler) :

If a group is getting on to you for using PW:Shield as a Discipline priest (or jeez even a Holy priest), you have my permission to say "GC says you're doing it wrong."

Maybe the warrior thought you were "rage starving" him or her.

The only tank that kind of has a leg to stand on with complaining about bubble are Pallys because they don't generate mana with it on but at 80 they have other methods so even still not an issue

Here's a good priest thread with info http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 1&pageNo=1

Basically Warriors and Druids need rage to get hate, DK's damage and Pallys spells I guess. None of these are affected by PW:S

[Ashenfield]

Fair enough

I knew it didn't affect his rage, but I wasn't sure what effect the absorb would have on the threat he would generate from his thorns ability.

(That wasn't explicitly answered, but perhaps it is minimal)

[dizzarian]

yah I'm not for sure on the thorns either and I'm still trying to find that information. Honestly I don't think most bears worry about it much

[Amokk]

Thorns is definitely a threat generator and does better the more mobs that are hitting the Druid. So perhaps tossing PW:S on a few seconds into a fight might be better than right at the start. Swipe and Maul are still my main threat skills but every little bit helps. I think part of the problem is when we started grouping in dungeons holding aggro was too easy. I got lazy and the tanking has gotten harder.

[Ashenfield]

Ok as we know we had our little rogue pickup friend inform us all of what we were doing wrong in our group (kicking rogues is by far the most fun and after looking up this info I no longer feel bad for kicking him before I rezed him)

At least our little roguetard friend got us talking. I think that will be more and more important if we continue grouping into the heroics.

Need to get one more guildy DPS up to 80. Then we will have a full defenders crew to rip things up

[Amokk]

We are use to grouping up on guild night and just running around like idiots. Messing up, getting in over our heads, dying. Good times. But running dungeons at level 80 especially when heroic means less margin for error. We use to be able to get away with a lot of mistakes but it is less forgiving now. Especially with me tanking.

[Relinna]

I still think it was funny the rogue got booted without a rez. How long do you think he was nerd raging for after that one?

[Ashenfield]

We are use to grouping up on guild night and just running around like idiots. Messing up, getting in over our heads, dying. Good times. But running dungeons at level 80 especially when heroic means less margin for error. We use to be able to get away with a lot of mistakes but it is less forgiving now. Especially with me tanking.

I'm still all for running around like idiots (like we have a choice) But I think continually improving our strategy is good too...

[Jif]

having a lvl 80 priest I have to confirm that bubble is a key component to controlling things as disc of even holy. SOunds like Amokk may be having aggro issues, and if that is the case, dps should hold off for 2 or 3 counts before engaging the same npc that tank is. its much easier for tank to hold direct threat. It will come around. Learn your spells amokk. As a pally there are a couple of spells you can instant cast to regen threat back to you.

[Amokk]

I'm thinking part of my problem is trying to be hybrid Tank/DPS on my Feral spec. Jack of all trades, master of none. So I am looking at perhaps making my Moonkin spec the DPS and setting my Feral as more Tank. Neither Feral or Moonkin seem to be doing a lot of DPS compared to others so I am also trying to figure out where I am going wrong in my spell rotation. I've been reading the Feral DPS thread and am learning that ferals need to keep their cooldown skills up as much as possible. Hoping to learn the rotation and see what difference it makes. Also working on getting the armor set for my Moonkin as well.

As for the tanking side of it a lot of my problem is two things. Unfamiliarity with Tanking and with Dungeons. Not grouping till 80 means I have not learned how to tank or group. I don't know all the ins and outs of Tanking. My soloing most of the game has now come back to bite me.

I also don't use Flasks for any stat boosts which may be a problem. Apparently this, Flask Of Endless Rage is a must for Feral DPS.

Macros for Tanking is another thing I need to set up. Found a couple of useful ideas to help in dungeons.

[Ashenfield]

I also don't use Flasks for any stat boosts which may be a problem. Apparently this, Flask Of Endless Rage is a must for Feral DPS.

Consider it done.

I'll see what I have in stock, and if you like them, just send me the materials, or whatever you might have.

[Amokk]

Sent my self the link so I could remember what items were required. Curious to see just how much of a difference 180 AP means for DPS. Also want to see what Flasks Tanks should be using.

[Ashenfield]

The frost lotus is the least common ingredient, lichbloom is second.
The rest is fairly easy to get.

I think for those it is a minimum of 2 you will get out of each Frost Lotus. More if my specialization helps out with extras.